I don’t see why you being a psychologist is even the slightest bit relevant. Although, at what point in the psychologist’s training you expect me to believe you had were you taught that an ad hominem attack is an effective way to persuade people round to your way of thinking? Because, you know… it isn’t.

I didn’t “read it right”, huh? Let’s see: Edward follows Bella without her knowledge, climbs into her room to watch her sleep, leaves her near-suicidal after telling her he doesn’t love her anymore, blames *her* for the consequences because she believed him, forbids her from seeing her friend, disables her car, keeps her under house arrest, messes with her head by alternately telling her that she should stay away from him and that she can’t survive without his protection, wants to forcibly abort her baby and offers her to Jacob to have sex with without her knowledge or permission. These things all happen. These things are all abusive. These things are all portrayed as romantic in the books. Therefore, the books portray abusive behaviour as romantic. There’s really not much to get wrong there.

I’m eighteen. I’m younger than you if your story about being a trained psychologist is correct. It probably isn’t, since your post is more in line with the comments of thirteen-year-old Twitards who aren’t able to logically defend these books and have to resort to petty insults, but that doesn’t change the fact that your assessment of me is dramatically wrong. “Housewife”? “Stuck-up?” Please. There’s nothing that indicates that these things are true of me in my comments. I’m a teenage girl who appreciates competently written books which promote healthy messages, and who actually doesn’t go crazy for a guy who is such an obsessive, dependent loser that he has no life whatsoever outside me. “Housewife” and “Stuck-up” aptly describe Bella Swan, though, and the suggestion that she and Edward are remotely passionate or “horny” is hilarious. It’s the most boringly chaste and cold (pun intended) relationship I’ve ever read about.

And oh, look at how you’ve contradicted yourself—teenage girls aren’t influenced by Twilight (because, if you even have two teenage daughters, of course they must be representative of *all* teens) and yet they all go crazy for Edward? On the one hand you’re trying to tell me I’m wrong to believe that people will fall for Edward Cullen; on the other hand you’re suggesting I’m strange for *not* falling for him. Do you see how that doesn’t work at all?

Are you seriously suggesting that Twilight challenges the imagination? Just… read a good book. Please.

oh, and edward is not a romantic guy? may not be for you that is old and no longer feel “horny” the passion when you’re young. if you read carefully and know so much about Twilight “hannah housewife stuck-up than, you know that one of the most famous speeches of the book and the movie is when edward tells bella: you are my life now, bella.
it makes any teenager “go crazy”.
but I will not discuss.
because everyone has to read books that really has a content (not that twilight has not) culturist, or is written by great authors.

but we can not read anything that challenges the imagination (that was ironic).

ah, e edward não é um cara romantico ? pode não ser pra você que já é velha e não sente mais o “tesão” da paixão de quando se é jovem . se você leu atentamente e sabe tanto assim sobre crepúsculo “dona hannah metida a superior”, você sabe que uma das falas mais conhecidas do livro e do filme é quando edward diz para bella: você é minha vida agora, bella .
isso, faz qualquer teenager “pirar” .
mas não vou discutir .
porque TODO MUNDO tem que ler livros que tenha realmente um conteudo (não que twilight não tenha) culturistico, ou que seja escrito por grandes autores .

mas, não podemos ler nada que desafie a imaginação (isso foi ironico) .

Wow, well, that was barely coherent. Extreme text talk is always a great way to convince people to take you seriously; well done.

Honestly, your post isn’t neutral; it’s an example of yet another fan missing the point. Edward is not an unattainable ideal. He is everywhere in real life, in the form of stalkers, emotional abusers and psychopaths. How you can actually read comments like “Edward has raised the standards for boyfriends” and *still* not believe that this series is having a hand in shaping young girls’ ideas of romance is beyond me. Are you in denial, or just not very bright?

I don’t know what the hell *your* idea of sexism and feminism is but I can assure you that it isn’t Twilight haters who are modifying it. Bella doesn’t make choices. Edward makes them for her. She doesn’t want to drive home with him? Tough, he wants her to and he’ll drag her to his car if she tries to escape. She doesn’t want to apply to a certain university? Fine, he’ll forge her signature on the application. She wants to see her best friend? It’s not happening unless Edward wants that, and if she doesn’t like it, he’ll disable her car and have his sister keep her under house arrest. She’s said she doesn’t want to go somewhere? Okay, then he’ll go over her head and get her dad involved so she has no choice but to go. And she’ll never oppose any of this, because he’s always got her best interests at heart, just like both abusers and those who are abused claim in real life. There’s no modification or projection on our part going on at all; this stuff is all right there, being frighteningly obvious.

At what point in my comment about Bella’s fear of Edward’s reaction to her seeing Jacob did I say that it would be okay if it was a man who was scared of a woman in this situation? Bella, upon seeing Edward’s car behind her (you know, in the scene where he tailgates her all the way to Angela’s house for no other reason than to intimidate her and make sure he knows *exactly* where she is, ever the expression of true love), is genuinely terrified of Edward’s reaction to her doing something completely innocent and reasonable. Never does she think “How dare he treat me this way?” She describes herself as “chicken”, too afraid to “face” him, and on her way to see him she describes herself as “jumpy”, “anxious”, “nervous”, as though *she’s* the one in the wrong even though she is SEEING. HER. BEST. FRIEND. and Edward has absolutely *no* right to stop her doing this. It’s a scene that clearly illustrates the level of control Edward has over her. It would be as much of a problem if their roles were reversed. It’s still abuse and control no matter whether the man or the woman is in the position of power. Only at no point in the Twilight series is Bella the one with the power. She’s the archetypal submissive little woman the entire way through.

Women in real abusive situations? Like, women who are being stalked? Women whose partners stop them seeing their friends? Women whose partners mess with their heads? Whose partners belittle them? Women in relationships with people like Edward? Hey, how about we try to stop more women getting into this situation by opposing something that insists that these things are romantic? Or, in conclusion: yes, really.

another thing…this feminist sexism thing thats comin out of d bk proves that u ‘educated’ ppl truly want something 2 talk about. seriously? if thats wat u get when u read twilight ur sad. bella cooking 4 her father, playing d damsel in ‘distress’, kellen:’can barely take 2 steps without needin a male to rescue her’??! THATS sickenin. like someone said in a comment b4 u ppl modify d definition of sexism and feminism by tryin 2 project wat u want 4 all girls and women onto them. u defeat d purpose and carryin us back to that place where we cant make a choice of our own without us being ‘disempowered’ if d choice doesnt suit ur fancy. edward is overprotective…that proves that he and d relationship isnt perfect so u contradict urselves…no relationship in real life is perfect…and o yes i forgot…’she all but craps her pants at d thought that edward would find out’. if a man had said ‘now she’ll kill me if she found out’ it’d b a-ok but if a girl says ‘ooooh!! he’s gonna b so mad!!’ she’s oppressed and emotionally abused!??? try helpin women who feel trapped in real abusive situations rather than bashin on an innocent fictional bk…o and while ur at it…do get a life.

Twilight Neutral
But sickened by all d senseless bashin

I have read the books, and Edward Cullen is not “super romantic, loving and wonderful”; he is a condescending, controlling, psychotic stalker. This is not romantic and it is horrifying that a generation of girls are being taught that it is. It isn’t that Twilight is stylistically a disgrace to literature, it’s that it’s dangerous, and it is not good for anyone to believe that a relationship like Edward and Bella’s is one we should aspire to.

Why would we be jealous of Stephenie Meyer? If this was a jealousy thing, why wouldn’t we target the far more successful J.K. Rowling? The storyline in Twilight is just as terrible as everything else; it’s Bella and Edward gazing at each other and pretending that their superficial obsession with each other is love, with supporting characters thrown in for the sole purpose of illustrating how special they both are and a few wildly inconsistent “plot” details that Meyer tacked on when she realised that NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED throughout the whole of her books. Twilight haters aren’t jealous. They think Twilight is a godawful series. Deal with it.

And no, thankfully, there are quite a lot of sane teenagers who are not envious of a whiny, dependent, idiotic doormat who falls for men who emotionally abuse her.

Finally, you clearly don’t have the slightest idea what the word “hypocrites” means, since you haven’t used it in the correct context once. I’d suggest you leave words you don’t understand well alone—Stephenie Meyer certainly should have done.

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